Embrace Your Creative Spirit with Jamie Ridler
In this inspiring episode of the Wealth Witches Podcast, host Katelyn Magnuson sits down with Jamie Ridler, founder of the School of Creative Magic, to explore the transformative power of creativity. Jamie shares her journey of embracing her artistic spirit and how it has shaped her life and work. Together, they discuss the intersection of practical and artistic pursuits, the importance of showing up authentically, and the magic that unfolds when you honor your creative self.
Whether you’re a seasoned artist, a budding creative, or someone looking to reconnect with your passions, this episode is packed with insights to inspire and empower your unique creative journey. Jamie also introduces her upcoming program, The Studio: A Year of Creative Magic, designed to help participants infuse their lives with creativity and community.
Tune in to learn how embracing your artistic side can lead to a richer, more authentic life.
Key Takeaways
- Embrace your full creative self to unlock authentic expression.
- Combining practicality and creativity creates unique opportunities.
- Community helps you feel seen and supported as an artist.
- Creativity is valid and valuable, even without monetary rewards.
- Consistent practice fosters growth and connection to your art.
Guest Bio:
Meet Jamie. She is the founder of the School of Creative Magic and a highly respected creative coach and mentor. With over two decades of experience, Jamie has helped tens of thousands of highly sensitive creatives find clarity, courage, and confidence to fully embrace their artistic spirits. Her expertise spans writing, theater, dance, and visual arts, allowing her to guide artists across all mediums with her unique, magical approach.
Jamie lives in Toronto with her husband and their three studio kittens, Shibumi, Scout, and Escher. When she’s not coaching or creating, you can find Jamie working on her latest collage series or pursuing her newest passion—learning to DJ!
Connect with Jamie:
Instagram: @starshyne
Website: https://www.jamieridlerstudios.ca/
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Transcript
Hello, and welcome magical creatures to the Wealth Witches podcast.
Speaker:This is a place where we brew financial empowerment and mix in a little sprinkle
Speaker:of magic. I'm Caitlin Magnuson, your guide on this enchanted
Speaker:journey to financial enlightenment. Here, we honor all identities and
Speaker:invoke our inner witches to create holistic wealth and prosperity. So
Speaker:grab your crystals, open your minds, and let's get ready to conjure some
Speaker:financial clarity clarity.
Speaker:Hi, and welcome back to the Wealth Witches podcast. Today, we have
Speaker:guest Jamie Riddler, m a CPCC
Speaker:and founder of the School of Creative Magic. Jamie is the founder of
Speaker:the School of Creative Magic and an expert creative coach and mentor. Her
Speaker:specialty is helping highly sensitive creatives find the clarity, courage,
Speaker:and confidence to go from painfully hiding their light to
Speaker:fully embracing their artistic spirit, and finally creating what only they can
Speaker:make. For 2 decades, Jamie's magical approach to coaching,
Speaker:courses, and content has helped awaken the creative spirit in tens of
Speaker:thousands of people around the world. Her experience in the arts includes
Speaker:writing, theater, dance, the visual arts, and more, giving her a
Speaker:range that allows her to see the creative challenges that exist across mediums
Speaker:and work powerfully with artists of all kinds. Jamie lives in Toronto with her
Speaker:beloved husband and 3 studio kittens. You can see Shaboomi,
Speaker:Scout, and Escher on social media regularly enduring Jamie's penchant
Speaker:for photography. Jamie's latest projects include a collage series
Speaker:of magical animals and learning how to DJ. Expect dance parties
Speaker:in the future. Jamie, welcome. Also, I love the
Speaker:part about learning how to DJ. That's so fun.
Speaker:I'm really excited. It's my next big project. It's starting next year
Speaker:and I'm signed up for a program and it's gonna be 8 months of
Speaker:intensive DJing, getting ready to lead dance
Speaker:events. And I like, that called to my heart
Speaker:and terrified me, so, of course, I'm doing it. Oh, oh my goodness. I
Speaker:love that. How fun. I it makes her, like,
Speaker:think about Shaquille O'Neal, right, who has been, like, in his DJ era and,
Speaker:like, just transforming. Like, what an
Speaker:interesting career that he's had. And it's just, like, to
Speaker:be able to go do something so fun and so
Speaker:just, like, complete sideline from what he had been known for for so many
Speaker:years is really cool. So I love that for you. It feels much more in
Speaker:the realm of the art that you're, you know, doing, but still, like, such a
Speaker:big jump. Right? I will say that even though yeah. It
Speaker:seems like such a shocking thing, but everybody who knows me well said, of course,
Speaker:you're doing that. That attracts. Yes. That makes total
Speaker:sense. I'm gonna tell Elise what I'm doing. They're like, oh, yeah. Of course.
Speaker:No. I love that so much. And I know that you and I were gonna
Speaker:wanna chat about what we were talking about before all of this recording started. And
Speaker:we were chatting about where I lived and the fact that I live for any
Speaker:of you that are listening that don't know, I live in the mountains outside of
Speaker:Boise, Idaho in a rural
Speaker:rural area where Boise is the nearest large town,
Speaker:and I was you you called me out because you asked
Speaker:how I like living here. I I said it it's good. Most of the time
Speaker:I had some hesitation and it is. It's great. The house is lovely where
Speaker:we live is lovely. We have wonderful acreage. The property values were affordable at the
Speaker:time and it has been wonderful
Speaker:for my creativity, but it is also a real
Speaker:challenge to create community here because I was telling you that, like, I'm
Speaker:the weird witchy person. I'm the one that, you know, believes in
Speaker:bodily autonomy and, like, all of these other things that come up that are so
Speaker:important to me and finding a community that was like minded
Speaker:is still a struggle even now. And you were chatting about how,
Speaker:like, you live in Toronto and you live a stone's throw from all of these
Speaker:options. It's true. And then but at the
Speaker:same time, like, most of the people that come into my work,
Speaker:who are in my community, they're in that position too, where
Speaker:they look around and they're the weird one just because they
Speaker:wanna paint or they wanna write poetry or, like,
Speaker:sometimes it still surprises me when I hear that. And
Speaker:I have to say, like, I I've been around since the, sort of, first
Speaker:wave of blogging. And so back in the day, that
Speaker:was the joy of it was suddenly I'm still friends with a ton of
Speaker:people who are sort of, from that world
Speaker:too. But that was what we were looking for. We were looking for
Speaker:other creative souls. We were looking for other people
Speaker:who were interested in, like, aligning our lives
Speaker:with our hearts, or we're we weren't the weird one where
Speaker:we were, like I remember still one of my blogging friends asking
Speaker:me, so how do you deal with being weird? And I looked at her and
Speaker:I went, I'm weird? Like, I I have no
Speaker:idea that somebody might consider me weird
Speaker:because yes. I yeah. Yeah. Exactly. And I, you
Speaker:know, I've got the whole art piece going on, but also too, like,
Speaker:I read tarot cards. I've got my altar behind me. I have
Speaker:crystals that mean something to me. Like, that's also just been
Speaker:that's been in my heart since I was a girl. You know? And
Speaker:so I don't I don't find that weird. I find that
Speaker:natural. Exactly. Exactly. No. And I
Speaker:think that there has been I think
Speaker:no matter what, we we want to cultivate community of some sort or
Speaker:find our other weirdos. Because amongst other weirdos, we're not weird. It it's
Speaker:we have common ground. We have common interests. We have things that we're able to
Speaker:feel safe discussing. And
Speaker:so much of and as we were talking about this too, is so much of
Speaker:the reason for this podcast has been such a creative
Speaker:outlet for me and that the original version of it had been confident
Speaker:money podcast. And, yes, I want your money to feel confident. I want you to
Speaker:feel confident in that money, but it had been a name that I had
Speaker:settled on that was good at the time. A
Speaker:big proponent of done, but not perfect. Done, but able
Speaker:to work. Done, but able to change. And in chatting with
Speaker:lawyers and, like, really getting
Speaker:getting granular about what I wanted to do more of and where I was feeling
Speaker:like I wasn't being true to myself
Speaker:caused this entire rebrand. And you, Jamie, nailed it.
Speaker:Right? You said it was, like, that's your favorite space to work in as practical
Speaker:magic because what I'm looking at what I was doing is I was showing up
Speaker:as Caitlin, the accountant, as the founder of the freelance CFO, as
Speaker:someone that can give you all this practical, tactical, strategic
Speaker:advice. But for a lack of a better term, like, behind closed
Speaker:doors and in my personal life, I am a crystal
Speaker:loving, tarot supporting, astrology
Speaker:working individual, and I've got you know, I'm a
Speaker:green witch, and I have plants in my garden. And, like, there are all of
Speaker:these things that I'm so incredibly passionate about that I wasn't feeling confident allowing
Speaker:to show up or allowing to for fear of judgment, for fear of
Speaker:all these all this shit that we tell ourselves that goes around with
Speaker:it. And so the Wealth Witches podcast is really the
Speaker:crossroads of where, like, that function and whoo be. And, like, we're not just sitting
Speaker:here manifesting and taking no action. Like, we're also putting money
Speaker:in our retirement. We're also, like, you know, doing the more masculine
Speaker:or traditional finance things while we're incorporating the rest of our
Speaker:holistic selves. I think this is so profoundly
Speaker:important. You know, you use the word you said it's so funny because your podcast
Speaker:is called had the word confidence in it. And you said, I wasn't feeling
Speaker:confident because and I think that's what happens when we split
Speaker:ourselves off and we're we're divided. Right? And
Speaker:something happens and that's what we're taught to do. Like, this is
Speaker:appropriate in this space. This is appropriate in that space.
Speaker:And re when you bring that all together, like,
Speaker:the potency is exponential.
Speaker:You know? And I really think this is something So I find this in the
Speaker:arts and I find this with what you're saying, and I think it's so exciting.
Speaker:It's like people think that because you're a
Speaker:money person, you're a practical person, you know, like, the
Speaker:facts and have some strategies, that that that doesn't
Speaker:mix with woo. Or like, they'll say about artsy people like, oh, you're
Speaker:artsy. You're not organized. You're flaky. I'm like, if
Speaker:you're running, I don't know, you're putting on a play or
Speaker:you're creating a film, I'm telling you, you are organized.
Speaker:You know? And so, it's a complete fallacy and it's so
Speaker:exciting to see all the different ways that that can come together as
Speaker:a whole. And I'm excited for you. I'm I'm not just excited for you, I'm
Speaker:excited for the people, all the witchy
Speaker:people out there who now are gonna feel like they
Speaker:have access to real intel.
Speaker:Who they can talk to somebody and feel safe saying, I have an
Speaker:astrology business and, you know, like, I'm gonna
Speaker:tell you a story and it involves DJing and an accountant.
Speaker:Wonderful. Right? Yeah. And it's it's so this is an example of
Speaker:why the world needs what you're doing. So I recently was looking for
Speaker:a new accountant. And so I had a phone meeting with a guy,
Speaker:and, we were chatting and getting to know each other. And it
Speaker:was pretty clear to me that he was not
Speaker:feminist. You know? And as we were talking, he
Speaker:said, so what do you do for fun? I said, well, actually, I'm just doing
Speaker:the most amazing thing. I just signed up for DJing. And he
Speaker:said, is there much demand for women your age
Speaker:in DJing? Wow. Wow.
Speaker:Now I felt so good about my answer because I just was like, this
Speaker:is what comes with, like, years of experience as an adult. I
Speaker:turned around to him and I said, well, how many women you know wish
Speaker:they were dancing and have nowhere to go? Mhmm. And he
Speaker:said, all of them. So
Speaker:Right. So rewind that question, buddy. But if I
Speaker:had come to you, like, that would not have been my
Speaker:experience. Right? Right. So You would have been
Speaker:scared. Like, it was just what it was. Like, how oh, cool. Because I totally
Speaker:missed that in your bio. Yeah. Yeah. So I just
Speaker:I'm really excited for you and for those
Speaker:people and that world of people who may not feel like there's
Speaker:somebody out there that can meet them in this
Speaker:magical place of practical magic. Yes. No. Exactly.
Speaker:And I think it's it has been such an
Speaker:interesting, uncomfortable at times,
Speaker:combining or showing up in
Speaker:spaces that there
Speaker:there's all of these and I'm actually really interested in your take on this, but
Speaker:I have a team. Not all of my team is WUI. All of them are
Speaker:totally accepting of it. They're totally some of them are way we're than others,
Speaker:and there were I'm not asking them all to dive in on
Speaker:this. Right? This is my portion of the venture. Like, our
Speaker:accounting firm stands. I am the one incorporating
Speaker:my more authentic self, my full self into what we're doing.
Speaker:But there's all these little voices. What are they going to think?
Speaker:What are my clients going to think? What, like, what is going to come about?
Speaker:What are my parents going to say? Hi, mom. I know you're listening to this
Speaker:when it eventually comes out. My mom listened to all of the podcast episodes,
Speaker:which I love. My mom's also Reiki certified,
Speaker:so she won't be terribly surprised. But it's just
Speaker:it's it's uncomfortable to, like, push through
Speaker:that and show up because you're when you're it's so much
Speaker:easier to show up and show up with this portion of me that has been
Speaker:siloed, that has been boxed. Yeah. Because if someone rejects that, they're not rejecting
Speaker:me. They're rejecting this mask, which also being
Speaker:neurodivergent. I think you get really comfortable switching between different masks that
Speaker:are socially acceptable in the area that you are. And a big part of
Speaker:this unmasking journey has been unmasking in my business, and that
Speaker:was, like, the last place. So it felt like I haven't been showing up
Speaker:in the fullest. And it was
Speaker:becoming more uncomfortable to not show up than it was
Speaker:scary to show up. That like,
Speaker:that wonderful Anais Nin quote, which I'm gonna butcher right now, but about,
Speaker:you know, when, caterpillar becomes a butterfly is when it
Speaker:it's too more painful to stay in the cocoon than to release
Speaker:into the butterfly. It's interesting because often,
Speaker:not always, but often, the hardest part is the reveal.
Speaker:Right? It's that moment. And then, it's quite fast like,
Speaker:I often think of it a bit like an experiment. Like, I'm
Speaker:gonna say this out loud and I'm observing what
Speaker:happens because some people will be like, woah,
Speaker:that's interesting. Tell me more. And some people will be like, you know, make a
Speaker:face and really not engage. And, really, that just gives
Speaker:me information about who's my people and who's not. And
Speaker:so, it ends up being good information. I I will I
Speaker:always feel like with stuff like this, because I'm such a proponent of being who
Speaker:we are and being fully who we are. And I want a world where it
Speaker:is safe for us to all be exactly who we are. And,
Speaker:also, I always wanna say, you're allowed to be safe. Right? You're
Speaker:allowed to make choices. Like, there will be some people you don't tell.
Speaker:Right. And there will be some people who have not earned the right to
Speaker:know things about you, and that's fine.
Speaker:But I also think, like, with what you're doing, the more we
Speaker:do it, the safer we make it for everybody. Yes. You know?
Speaker:Because it just becomes very normal. And when our
Speaker:expectation is that we will
Speaker:my expectation starts with, it's gonna be
Speaker:okay. Like, I I I think it the right thing is that people be
Speaker:understanding with each other, and I hope that the right thing is gonna happen right
Speaker:now. Maybe that sounds a bit harsh, like the right thing,
Speaker:capital r. But I I just like to
Speaker:I like to imagine the best in people. You
Speaker:know? But this is revealing my absolute judgment that the best in people
Speaker:means being accepting. And that
Speaker:is that is my that is my take. That is my perspective.
Speaker:Absolutely. No. I I
Speaker:am always really intrigued in what's interesting is the fear that comes up around
Speaker:this or the, you know, the the fear, the stress, the
Speaker:not, you know I'm not even gonna say not feeling safe, because for the most
Speaker:part in my life with who I am and how I present,
Speaker:safety is less of a concern, which also makes me feel like I'm that much
Speaker:more responsible to show up in the way that I can Right. To allow that
Speaker:for others who may not be as safe in that environment. Right. But there
Speaker:are times where and I do this in the accounting
Speaker:business. I will purposely stay things that I know
Speaker:are polarizing because I don't want certain people in
Speaker:my audience. And it's very easy for me to
Speaker:do that. And so why is it so much harder
Speaker:for me when I'm looking at combining and really showing up
Speaker:to be recognizing that I'm doing the same thing? I'm just doing it in a
Speaker:little bit scarier way. Right. Because you're doing
Speaker:it somewhere that for a long time, you've kept it separate. This
Speaker:this is this kind of world, and this is this kind of world. But I'll
Speaker:I I I wonder what your experience will be like because I recently did a
Speaker:massive rebrand. Right? So I've always run my business primarily under my
Speaker:name, you know, and, until just this summer.
Speaker:And then I launched the School of Creative Magic. And I felt like
Speaker:this was, like, this big step, you know. I guess it's a little
Speaker:like the DJ ing. But lots and lots and lots of people said to
Speaker:me, oh, that's so you. Like, it's so you, Jamie.
Speaker:And I thought, you know, we're not really keeping it a secret. Like, we think
Speaker:we're keeping it a secret, but we're not really. That we're magical.
Speaker:And, yeah. I think that kind of sparkles
Speaker:out into the world. Well, and that that's a
Speaker:really good way to put it. Yeah. I mean, it'd be as big of a
Speaker:surprise to people that have been around for a little bit.
Speaker:I I had dropped a teaser about something in my
Speaker:Facebook group the other day, and someone was like, oh, Waffles? What is
Speaker:that? They totally wore. I'm intrigued. Yes.
Speaker:Yes. Oh, what an interesting reaction to that. Because, you know, generally, it's
Speaker:I I know that I have my people that are gonna be like, hell yes.
Speaker:That's wonderful. Like, what a fantastic place to be. And I have my people that
Speaker:are like, oh, witch. Like, that I don't love that. Not for
Speaker:me. And so the the intrigue or the curiosity was
Speaker:really, something that I hadn't expected from just the little
Speaker:tiny bread crumbing that I've dropped in so far. So, yes,
Speaker:I'm at this point more excited than I am
Speaker:scared or nervous, which is great,
Speaker:and something that I think tells me I'm on the right track.
Speaker:Just like you with, you know, DJing is it's it's this big
Speaker:thing that there's like, what a big change, but also, like,
Speaker:how exciting of a venture for you this next year.
Speaker:Oh, yeah. I can't wait. And I really, so
Speaker:I've dance has been my first love for all of my
Speaker:creative life. Mhmm. I still remember in a
Speaker:visceral body somatic way. I had signed my mom
Speaker:had signed me up for some theater class. I did theater too. And it
Speaker:and it was good. It was fine. And then they had a movement
Speaker:instructor come in, and we did this dance. And I just remember
Speaker:we did this dance performance, and the lights came on, and I felt
Speaker:like this is life. Okay? Something
Speaker:just happened in that moment. And so I pursued that
Speaker:for a long time. I I started late
Speaker:to getting to sort of serious classes.
Speaker:And then I'm I'm I'm 5 foot 3
Speaker:and something. And I'm like a curvy girl, and I've always been
Speaker:a curvy girl. And I really wasn't built for,
Speaker:the world of dance. You know, I wasn't built for
Speaker:commercials and stage shows. And, you know, so that
Speaker:really got me down for a long time. You know, I left that.
Speaker:Thankfully, I found theater in a really
Speaker:just a surprising way. I was going to university for English and drama.
Speaker:And my boyfriend at the time, we were walking through the quad, and
Speaker:he said, look at that, Jamie. I think you'd be interested. It was like drama
Speaker:auditions tomorrow. And I just I didn't think. I did I
Speaker:walked over. I signed my name. I just auditioned the next day, and I was
Speaker:one of, like, 32 people to make it in the program. Wow. And that
Speaker:changed the trajectory of my life. And then after that, I came
Speaker:back to dance. And one of the things I've learned in my life was
Speaker:you don't have to wait for somebody
Speaker:else to say you fit. Like, I now I
Speaker:know, and theater taught me, that if I wanna
Speaker:dance or I wanna run a dance event or I wanna put on a dance
Speaker:show, I can just do it. I can just do it.
Speaker:And so the idea of DJing so I, all
Speaker:through COVID, I found a wonderful, DJ,
Speaker:Tasha Blank. And hi, Tasha.
Speaker:And she was a New York City DJ. She runs lots of
Speaker:massive events, but she had nothing. She couldn't
Speaker:do her work, so she started doing it on Zoom. And
Speaker:I danced with her sometimes twice a week for
Speaker:all those years. Like, I think I missed one out of all
Speaker:the times that she was there. And so now she's doing this PhD
Speaker:training. That's what it's called. And I was like I know. Right?
Speaker:It's so good. And I want to bring that
Speaker:experience to my community. Like, I have a community that
Speaker:lives online. I have a community who doesn't have those kinds of
Speaker:events around them. And I have a community of women
Speaker:who are at a stage of their life where they are not likely
Speaker:to be clubbing. You know? Like, they're they're just waiting for a
Speaker:wedding so that they can get on the dance floor. And that,
Speaker:like, I get, like, I get weepy about it because I
Speaker:know my body has always wanted to dance.
Speaker:And so I know what it means that there is a space
Speaker:where you feel welcome, where you feel safe, where
Speaker:you can do as much or as little as you want.
Speaker:If you want to lie on the floor for an hour and a half, you
Speaker:can lie on the floor for an hour and a half. You can work to
Speaker:your capacity. Nobody like, nobody's
Speaker:watching you and judging, even though
Speaker:when I did it with Tasha and when I teach it, like, the
Speaker:invitation is to be on camera. Mhmm. Not because everybody
Speaker:wants to be watching you, but because we're we're a community.
Speaker:Like, we we wanna be together. It's it's just bringing the
Speaker:energy and creating the space together. So I'm for
Speaker:me, it's kind of a full circle thing to be coming around
Speaker:to my first love. Mhmm. And to
Speaker:be able to share it with people who don't have access
Speaker:to it. That means that means a lot to me. Absolutely.
Speaker:It's so interesting that you should say that. So my
Speaker:coach, friend, colleague, all of the things. Right? So many of them are intertwined
Speaker:now. He's also a booty yoga instructor. And I
Speaker:will do every new moon, full moon. Any session that I can make, I
Speaker:will show up. And it was so different having done
Speaker:many workout classes, yoga class. Like, you name it. I've
Speaker:probably gone and done it, especially when I lived in an area where they were
Speaker:more accessible. And she puts these on on Zoom, and it
Speaker:was lovely, but I can show up. And she also encourages everyone to be on
Speaker:camera. And it is the
Speaker:hardest thing that I do, which isn't even difficult, is turn
Speaker:my computer on. Because I know that even if I am not going to
Speaker:do anything except to lay on a blanket on the floor, it is
Speaker:fine. It is accepted. It is open. And
Speaker:I have never had, in all of the spaces that I've been in, a place
Speaker:where I felt like I could do that. Like, yes, you can be told, hey.
Speaker:Do what you need to do. Show up in a way that you need to
Speaker:show up. But feeling it and then seeing it modeled
Speaker:Yeah. Has been so powerful.
Speaker:And there are times where I will absolutely I had a an ankle injury a
Speaker:few years ago, and I have never gotten quite back to where my fitness and
Speaker:flexibility and all of that was. And there's all this that we can make it,
Speaker:you know, about ourselves. And And so to have a place to show up and
Speaker:just exist and have that community has been incredible. And
Speaker:so because of that, I never want to miss that. It's such a
Speaker:cherished sacred space to be able to show up to. One of the
Speaker:things that I think is sheer magic, like, we we hear a
Speaker:lot about and absolutely validly that the online space
Speaker:has lots of problems with it. But it also
Speaker:has this. You know, it also has that ability
Speaker:to can hold a magical space across
Speaker:the world, across time. Because sometimes
Speaker:we are doing it with the recording and I always say in my classes, you
Speaker:know, we magic travels across time, so
Speaker:don't worry. You know? We are really present for you, and
Speaker:you're really present when you're present. And I I'm so
Speaker:thankful for that. If I went ahead and could go back in my life,
Speaker:you know, people get really stuck on finding their
Speaker:purpose, you know? And I I think that that idea
Speaker:of finding your purpose is sometimes quite damaging because instead
Speaker:of having some agency, we're looking outside of ourselves
Speaker:forever in and feeling like we can't do anything till we find it.
Speaker:And for me, I realize now, like, when I was
Speaker:22, 35, like, what I'm doing now
Speaker:did not exist. So if I had
Speaker:tried to force myself into a path, I I'd be
Speaker:in the wrong place because I have no
Speaker:doubt whatsoever. Every day I show up, I
Speaker:have no doubt. I am in the right place doing the right
Speaker:thing with the right people. Like, I was made
Speaker:for this. And it didn't it wasn't here before.
Speaker:Mhmm. It's here now and so am I. How powerful,
Speaker:God, that was moving. Oh, thank
Speaker:you. Of course. It's just to be able to
Speaker:be in a spot, like, where you didn't even envision this for yourself, however many
Speaker:like, it wasn't in the realm of possibility. And so being open
Speaker:to what Parks
Speaker:passion, joy, feeling, being alive. Like, where
Speaker:where are you feeling inspired, called
Speaker:to, invigorated? And,
Speaker:especially, I think, were before I get into my thirties,
Speaker:the more exciting it is to have those
Speaker:glimmers that pop up. Right? Like, where are we gonna follow this thread that
Speaker:pulls through here? What does that unpack? Like, where where do
Speaker:I get to shine or, like, you know, cap caterpillar into a new
Speaker:arena that I didn't even know was a possibility? Exactly.
Speaker:It's just magical. I think the one thing that
Speaker:helped me was I did have a very strong
Speaker:sense. It's not really of my values. I mean, I know what my
Speaker:values are. But it was I started out when I I so I was doing
Speaker:my doctorate, and then I was like, I'm in the theater all the time, not
Speaker:in the library. This is telling me something. And so I
Speaker:stepped away, and I started thinking about what do I wanna do? Like,
Speaker:what's here for me? And what I thought was, what are the things that have
Speaker:always been in my life that I love? Like, what are and so those
Speaker:things so it was the arts, it was helping people, and it
Speaker:was being in charge of my own thing. Like, I
Speaker:like to make my own thing.
Speaker:Oh, I'm so When I read that. But now so I knew those things.
Speaker:So I had some stars, like, you know, I was on
Speaker:an adventure in the boat and I had some constellation to
Speaker:follow, but I had no idea where I was going.
Speaker:And I and it's been so far, knock on wood, and I hope it
Speaker:continues to be a grand adventure. Absolutely. The only
Speaker:type of adventure I think to to have is a great one.
Speaker:I I'm so curious. We we didn't chat this that much about this, but
Speaker:the creatives that you're working with. So for me, having come from a
Speaker:more traditionally, let's say
Speaker:creatively challenged industry,
Speaker:it has been
Speaker:interesting for me to unpack my
Speaker:own creativity. Haven't been told you're not creative, you're not x y z, you're
Speaker:not this, you're not that. All the things that I am or I'm not that
Speaker:I have I've had all these external inputs for years and the things that we,
Speaker:you know, tell ourselves versus what actually
Speaker:and who am I? What do I enjoy doing? What are the things that bring
Speaker:me that joy? And you work with a lot of highly
Speaker:sensitive creative individuals who I also work with a lot
Speaker:of really amazing creative individuals that are just absolutely
Speaker:inspiring because their creativity and that's what I think is beautiful about all of us
Speaker:as individuals is our creativity shows up in so many
Speaker:amazingly unique ways. And I think it is
Speaker:one of the reasons that I value so much of what our clients
Speaker:do is I have an appreciation for it because,
Speaker:for example, I get this all the time, I had
Speaker:we got married, I don't know, 8 years ago now. And
Speaker:I had all these images, and I wanted to make this beautiful collage wall.
Speaker:Conceptually, I understand it or gallery wall, I think, maybe is what it is.
Speaker:I understand how to measure the things and put them in. Like, it's it's
Speaker:math. We spent, I think, 3 full
Speaker:days trying to lay it out, put it together, and it was
Speaker:I felt so dumb. I felt it was it was
Speaker:frustrating and demoralizing, and I finally chatted with one of my
Speaker:girlfriends who's a graphic designer. And she was, oh, honey. I can like, give me
Speaker:20 minutes, and I'll have that taken care of. And in that
Speaker:moment, it was such I hate to say
Speaker:come to gee this moment, but, like, such a come to gee this moment. I'm
Speaker:like, why am I trying to force something that is miserable
Speaker:when I have all of these people in my life that have all of these
Speaker:other varied strengths that I'm not even allowing? Like, I'm trying to
Speaker:force through something that doesn't come that I don't like
Speaker:when Heidi can do it in 20 minutes. And it's
Speaker:gorgeous, and she enjoys it, and it's something that she is strong in. And
Speaker:so getting to see our clients do all of these amazing things, so many times
Speaker:they show up, and there's value put on accounting professionals or
Speaker:things of that nature that I don't feel like is always placed on creative
Speaker:or artistic pursuits that should be. And being able to
Speaker:see and recognize the value that it's brought, and it's
Speaker:no less valuable than any of our clients that we work with. And so I'm
Speaker:so curious with all of the highly creative individuals that you work
Speaker:with, how you embark on that
Speaker:journey of being able to show up as your authentic self and being able to
Speaker:show up as your fullest. Like, what what does that look like for you with
Speaker:your clients in the work that you do? Yeah. I think you brought up 2
Speaker:things that are so interesting and and need to generally need
Speaker:to get on pack. 1 is the question of value,
Speaker:and 1 is the question of who we are. You know? And
Speaker:so, a lot of times people, they may know they're
Speaker:creative and or they when you say to me, like, well, I'm not
Speaker:really an artist, but and then I'll they'll tell me about their lives and
Speaker:I'll be like, you did what? It's like, you sewed all their own clothes or
Speaker:like run the best birthday. Like and like there's a million signs, you
Speaker:know, about, oh, I write or or things like, I've been writing songs
Speaker:for years, but I never play them for anybody. And one of the
Speaker:things I think that's happened in, sort of, societally that creates
Speaker:some real damage here, is we really only allow the
Speaker:arts to belong to this tiny
Speaker:micro scopic group of elite
Speaker:people. Right? So it's not even you don't even just have
Speaker:to make an album. You have to have an album that everybody knows. You have
Speaker:to have a song that's, like, viral and that's top of
Speaker:this, you know, like, you have to be oh, have you got an award? Is
Speaker:your book on the New York bestseller list? This is such a small
Speaker:portion of people. And we think you either get to be that
Speaker:or it's a nice hobby. Mhmm. And I will
Speaker:tell you that for most people who have that sort of creative
Speaker:spirit, this is incredibly demoralizing. Because
Speaker:either they push themselves to try to be in
Speaker:that small percentage, which is a tough that's a
Speaker:tough path. You know? Or their whole
Speaker:peer group and family thinks what they're doing is a nice thing they do on
Speaker:Sunday afternoons. But really, it's like their
Speaker:heart's breath. It's the call of their soul. It's
Speaker:it's something that if they die with it inside of them, they will
Speaker:have such profoundly painful regret. And we
Speaker:don't have a way of fucking about that. We don't have a
Speaker:way of embracing that. And so often, it's a matter of just
Speaker:accepting, like, understanding that it has
Speaker:value for you, that is independent of
Speaker:money, that is pendant of fame,
Speaker:and that that doesn't mean it's light and breezy and just
Speaker:like some fun you do on the weekends. It's
Speaker:it's a it's a passion. It's a in I
Speaker:in my programs, we call it devotion. It's choosing the
Speaker:path of artistic devotion. You're taking yourself
Speaker:seriously as an artist, whether or not
Speaker:you ever reach into that world of profession.
Speaker:And what I see when people can do this, it's
Speaker:like it's not like putting something on, it's like taking something off. There's
Speaker:just this release of tension. There's just an acceptance of
Speaker:who you are. There's just, like, I can feel the ease in my
Speaker:body when I think about it. You just get to be an
Speaker:artist. And I think my part of my
Speaker:definition of being an artist is you're somebody who
Speaker:understands yourself and the world through
Speaker:the arts. You know, like, some people do it through business,
Speaker:some people do it through sports, some people do it through relationships.
Speaker:But for some of us, we understand people
Speaker:because we do improv with them, or we've read a 1000000
Speaker:novels. And we you know, that explore the human condition.
Speaker:Or that's and then we listen to a song, and that song
Speaker:breaks something in our heart open and we start crying and we realize that
Speaker:we're still harboring love for somebody that was in our life a long time
Speaker:ago. Like, it's the key that unlocks
Speaker:us and unlocks the world for us.
Speaker:And so when you don't allow that, you're literally
Speaker:asking somebody to go through the world without,
Speaker:like, speaking a different language or without their way of being. Do you
Speaker:know? And so when when you can do that and accept it and be like,
Speaker:this is who I am. This is how I move. This is how I think.
Speaker:Things become easier. A lot of times we think it's gonna get
Speaker:harder, again, because of the things we talked about, the judgment, the,
Speaker:you know, and is this of value and your your
Speaker:partner not really getting it or your dad having
Speaker:judgment about it. But when you let go of all those judgments
Speaker:and just let yourself make the things that you're called to make,
Speaker:the relief is just
Speaker:profound. Yes. Good.
Speaker:Yes. Oh, I
Speaker:just I've experienced that a
Speaker:few times in my life. The the relief. The profound relief.
Speaker:Yeah. Thank you. What was it like for you to unpack
Speaker:your creativity? Like, to start to go, actually, I I do think this
Speaker:is a part of the way you know? Soul nourishing. Yeah.
Speaker:Soul nourishing is how I look at it. It is
Speaker:incredibly easy at times for me to slip
Speaker:back in. And like I said, I I connect a lot of it with
Speaker:masking in general and so much of living out here,
Speaker:in a space where I can exist. I lived out here for 6 months by
Speaker:myself before my husband moved out. There was a lot of just solo
Speaker:reflection time that was wonderful,
Speaker:and it made me realize how disconnected I feel or
Speaker:how there's a piece of the pie
Speaker:missing. Right. Anytime I stop
Speaker:caring for myself through creative pursuits. And
Speaker:I didn't know that it was missing until I started to allow myself the
Speaker:time and the space to exist
Speaker:without having to be productive, without having to put a value on
Speaker:efficiency or monetizing it. I think as an entrepreneur, it's so easy
Speaker:to, I'm gonna sell this. How am I gonna x y z? How am I
Speaker:going to turn this into an income stream? And there's nothing wrong with it being
Speaker:an income stream, but there's also nothing wrong with it just being
Speaker:something that you are passionate about, that you were doing, that is fulfilling, that is
Speaker:nourishing. So for me, it was just it was
Speaker:incredible to just be able to have the time to exist as
Speaker:me, not as the accountant, not a gatekeeper,
Speaker:me. When you tie it to, like, also that feeling
Speaker:of well-being, like, I see that in my
Speaker:students, in my community, and, like, all the time.
Speaker:You know? And I I know I experienced it myself when I I had been
Speaker:taking quite a while ago now, but I did a year's training of
Speaker:expressive arts therapy. And it's it and as a
Speaker:part of it, it's part of your integrity is to be making yourself.
Speaker:Right? You have to be making and working on your own stuff. So
Speaker:program finished, I'm back to life, and like 3 weeks later, I'm
Speaker:just grumpy. Like, I am just so grumpy.
Speaker:And my sister, Shannon, who has been a part of my work, like, forever, she
Speaker:was like, do you think it has anything to do with not
Speaker:having a regular creative practice? They were like, oh.
Speaker:Yeah. It's mad. Yeah. It's a it is
Speaker:just it's a part of our processing. It's a
Speaker:part of our breathing. It's a part of how we let things out. It's a
Speaker:part of how we let things in. It's a Yeah. And, and once
Speaker:you experience that, then it's
Speaker:you never wanna let it go. Mhmm. You never wanna let it go. And
Speaker:I'll, I'll say to, one of the things
Speaker:I have found is that a lot of people are so nervous about letting it
Speaker:take up more space in their life. And I know we've talked a lot about
Speaker:other people's reactions. And I have found with a
Speaker:lot of my coaching clients and my
Speaker:students that their their loved ones are more
Speaker:accepting than they thought. Sort of in the spirit of what we were saying earlier,
Speaker:it's like they know that about them. But also, when they start
Speaker:see, it's not just for you. Like, you, when you are healthy
Speaker:and happy and well tended and expressed,
Speaker:then you are a better partner. You've got better ideas. You've
Speaker:got more energy for other things. Like, you can come more fully
Speaker:to all of your life when you are more fully
Speaker:expressed. Absolutely. And I think that
Speaker:it's something that we chatted about, or I chatted about with Amanda earlier
Speaker:was, I think that so many times we are told
Speaker:that we need to fill our cup. You know, you can't pour from an
Speaker:empty cup, but it's always looked at from the light of
Speaker:what value or what liquid you have to give to
Speaker:others versus the fact that you deserve to have a full cup. And,
Speaker:yes, a secondary side of that is that you
Speaker:can nourish others. You can show up better for others,
Speaker:but that's secondary. You deserve to show up and be
Speaker:fully expressed, fully nourished, fully present for
Speaker:yourself, and to have that full cup, not so that anyone can can extract
Speaker:value from you so that you can be whole. Yeah. Thank you
Speaker:for really pulling that out too, because that's even that's related to the
Speaker:money piece too. It's like, what I'm doing is a value as
Speaker:long as there's some extractable
Speaker:benefit from it. And really, it's just like,
Speaker:it's the value of being who you are, you
Speaker:know, and having space for that and time for that. And
Speaker:that's why we're here. I really think that. I really do.
Speaker:It was recently talking in my class about how we're
Speaker:we're sort of purpose built for our art, you know,
Speaker:and there's such a piece that comes from going,
Speaker:oh, yeah. I'm a dancer. Like, every time I started dancing again
Speaker:after not dancing for a while, it's changed my life.
Speaker:Like, it's literally changed my life because I'm like, oh, this is me. Right?
Speaker:This is me. And that goes get back to that confidence
Speaker:piece. Something changes when you're not
Speaker:pretending. You know, something happens
Speaker:where you hold like, you have deeper roots. You have
Speaker:less fissures through your body. Your and your
Speaker:energy is more potent because it's all
Speaker:gathered. Mhmm. And that's that's
Speaker:delicious. Yes. Yeah. Oh. Oh. What a
Speaker:good word. What a good word. I love I love
Speaker:delicious for that. But isn't one more delicious energy?
Speaker:Yes. Yeah. I also I just wanna say, like, in
Speaker:the same spirit as I I have trouble sometimes with,
Speaker:the idea of purpose, like life purpose. Mhmm. I
Speaker:wanna say too something. I I wanna attack,
Speaker:a myth that people have too, which is if it's hard,
Speaker:it's not for me. And I just, it
Speaker:is absolutely true that when we are in the flow, we feel
Speaker:like when I'm dancing, I'm like, oh, yeah. This is so good. This is me.
Speaker:And it is also absolutely true that sometimes, like you were talking
Speaker:about the gallery wall, sometimes it's like, okay. Not for
Speaker:me. Please let me hand it over to somebody for whom it
Speaker:is. But sometimes when people are coming
Speaker:back to their creativity or entering it for the first
Speaker:time, They're so this is always a heartbreak. I'll have
Speaker:clients and they're so excited to finally sit down to their art for the first
Speaker:time in forever. And they're, like, thinking it's gonna be fun and playful
Speaker:and joyful, and they sit down to it and it is is hard, and they're
Speaker:filled with heartbreak of all the time they've missed when they haven't been creating,
Speaker:and they don't like what they're making, and, like, there's all this emotional
Speaker:gunk. And I always really
Speaker:just wanna speak to the fact that doesn't mean it's not for you. You
Speaker:know? And and sometime when I my hardest art to
Speaker:make peace with has been visual art. And I used to go to classes and
Speaker:I would just leave I went with my sister too. Shannon's my
Speaker:my she's my art buddy. And I would leave crying. Like, I
Speaker:would just leave crying because I out of sheer frustration. And
Speaker:she said, I think maybe this means we shouldn't go. And I said,
Speaker:no. This means I absolutely have to go. You
Speaker:know, I just needed to work. And so some things that help that is
Speaker:like the more you make, the less pressure there is on any
Speaker:one moment or any one experience. It and it
Speaker:doesn't suddenly mean everything about you. And 2,
Speaker:it is okay if it's filled with emotional gunk.
Speaker:Like, this takes some time to clear that out and let yourself
Speaker:cry and mourn the years you missed when you weren't painting
Speaker:and all of that. That's real. Art is not
Speaker:art is a 360 degree experience.
Speaker:It's so know that.
Speaker:You know? But I just I just felt like I need to say a little
Speaker:bit of word of encouragement to anyone who's gone back or found out. Or
Speaker:when we're working on as artists, we're constantly stretching our
Speaker:edge. Right? We're always growing. We're lifelong
Speaker:learners. And so that means sometimes it's gonna be hard.
Speaker:Like, you know, you're not gonna understand how to use that tool. And
Speaker:you're gonna make a mess. And you're gonna that happens
Speaker:all the time. And so, I think this is
Speaker:also one of the wonderful things when you realize that you. That
Speaker:an artist is who you are or a creative is who you are and
Speaker:you choose this path of artistic devotion because you realize
Speaker:I'm, I'm not in it for 20 minutes. I'm not in it for 20 days.
Speaker:I anticipate that I will be creating for the rest of my life.
Speaker:And this is hard, but I've got time, you
Speaker:know, and I can learn and I can hold
Speaker:it lightly and I can get help when I need it. And I
Speaker:can give away the parts that don't belong to me and embrace the parts that
Speaker:do. I think this is the other thing about the sort
Speaker:of infantilization of art that we think it's for
Speaker:kids. And so it should be easy and light and fun and playful.
Speaker:And I I I was gonna say I love fun and playful.
Speaker:That's not really true. That's not my that's not my favorite flavor.
Speaker:My favorite flavor is, like, deep and meaningful and sacred. You
Speaker:know? Not that I never like to have fun, but for but what I'm saying,
Speaker:there's there's a lot of stuff out there that says, let it be fun, and
Speaker:that's great. I I I do like to have fun.
Speaker:But it it's not just fun. Mhmm.
Speaker:It's it's the unfurling of
Speaker:you into the world through creativity.
Speaker:It's gonna grow you in a prof everything you make
Speaker:will change you. You will never be the same person on the
Speaker:other side. You will be someone new. And so
Speaker:it's got that kinda heft to it.
Speaker:So if you if you want play and
Speaker:light, there's lots of stuff out there that's available for that, I think,
Speaker:and pursue that. For some people, that's their full expression is
Speaker:giggling and laughing and making getting their hands wet with paint. I I
Speaker:I'll love that too. But
Speaker:if it feels heavy sometimes or deep
Speaker:or it's because it's transformative, and
Speaker:that's okay. It doesn't mean it's not for you. Mhmm. Mhmm.
Speaker:No. I do think it's so easy to infantilize that. I think that was a
Speaker:really good way to put it. And everyone's
Speaker:flavor of art or flavor of creativity is valid no
Speaker:matter what it looks like. Even if it is easy and fun, even if it
Speaker:is deep and moody and meaningful, and even if it is some combination
Speaker:of all of those or none of those, It's
Speaker:not a cookie cutter, one size fits all. This
Speaker:is how you do it. This is the right way to do it. And I
Speaker:think it's so easy to like you'd said earlier, you're
Speaker:the professional track that is known by everyone that has all of this, you know,
Speaker:infamy or fame associated with them,
Speaker:that you can't go anywhere without your name being a household
Speaker:item. That's not everyone's favor of
Speaker:yeah. Success, art, expression. You can just
Speaker:express yourself to express yourself. Yeah. And, I
Speaker:mean, a part of the joy for me, like, for real,
Speaker:is that everybody's flavor is so different. Like, when people
Speaker:come into my programs, I that's what I'm hoping they'll bring.
Speaker:That's what that's what I want for them is to bring something. And then, the
Speaker:more they bring it the other thing is that is such an antidote for
Speaker:comparison. Right? Like that horrible feeling of comparisonitis.
Speaker:When you realize, like, this is ridiculous to compare because my
Speaker:gosh, this person is in love with birds, she's got an amazing sense
Speaker:of humor, and, she loves to work in fine detail.
Speaker:And then over here, we've got somebody and everything is
Speaker:moody, and she likes to make a big,
Speaker:very physical interaction with her art, and she'll always
Speaker:combine multiple arts. Fin like, Vanessa,
Speaker:like, I love people. Like, I always am so
Speaker:heartbroken when people talk about all the things they love in the world. And so,
Speaker:like, well, we all like, nature is probably the first answer
Speaker:everybody gives. And then I'll listen to babies, puppies, like, all
Speaker:these things. And I'm like, you know, sometimes it breaks my heart that we
Speaker:don't feel that way about people, and there's good reason for
Speaker:that. I'm not saying there isn't. But I
Speaker:love people and their potential, and I real one of the
Speaker:reasons I'm so committed to my work is I sincerely believe
Speaker:that if we all tap
Speaker:into our creative capacity, so much good can come
Speaker:from that. So many things that we just like I didn't know I'd end up
Speaker:here, so many things we don't have a solution for, so many
Speaker:places we get stuck, some, like, somebody is gonna
Speaker:cut when they're allowed and free to bring
Speaker:their own perspective, is gonna see something that nobody else has been
Speaker:able to say and say, here. And we can all
Speaker:go, thank you. You're
Speaker:enamored with the potential that exists with the creative
Speaker:expression that could be had, which I think is such a beautiful thing.
Speaker:Yep. I mean, who who doesn't want more of that? Who doesn't want more of
Speaker:that, Like, for a lot of
Speaker:ease. I mean, it's it's just, like, to be able to show up. So
Speaker:and there are so many people that I think and I think that's why your
Speaker:work is so powerful as well. So many
Speaker:people don't feel like their creativity, their artistic expressions are
Speaker:valid, are valued, are important. And so to be
Speaker:able to have someone, it's like, yes. Even if there's no
Speaker:monetary, like, you like Yes. You get to be
Speaker:valued. You get to show up. That in of itself has
Speaker:its inherent value. It doesn't need to be like unfortunately, we live in a
Speaker:capitalistic world where, like, there are things that are valued and weighted
Speaker:differently. That doesn't mean that you are any less valuable and your expressions
Speaker:are any less valuable. On the contrary, they can be infinitely more
Speaker:valuable if we were simply able to get out of our own way.
Speaker:Exactly. Yeah. Thank you.
Speaker:Absolutely. I did want to chat about
Speaker:your offering. Right? Yeah. That's okay. You're
Speaker:comfortable sharing more about? Yeah. I
Speaker:my offerings at the School of Creative Magic are really designed,
Speaker:in pathways. And they are sort of like the
Speaker:pathway of creative awakening, which is, you know, the
Speaker:studio yearbook, which is a journal I offer. And that's available. It's
Speaker:seasonal. But the offer and my devotion program, that's the
Speaker:pathway of the artist. And it's full right now, won't open again
Speaker:for a year. But what I do have coming up that is new and I'm
Speaker:really excited about, It's called the studio, a year of
Speaker:creative magic. And it's going to be for the entire next
Speaker:year, and it's really about getting into the rhythm of
Speaker:practice and the rhythm of magic. So we are going to
Speaker:go through the year marking the full moons, marking
Speaker:the new moons, marking, the changes of
Speaker:season, and we're going to also choose a
Speaker:creative practice and have a way to check-in on your creative
Speaker:practice. And I've got so many things for that course.
Speaker:We're gonna do once a month, we're gonna meet together for a studio session where
Speaker:we're gonna create together. Once a month, we're gonna take an hour because I don't
Speaker:know about you, but I don't actually read the stacks of books I
Speaker:have. So we're gonna have a reading hour together. And what I'm excited
Speaker:about with that too is that people will share what they're reading and suddenly you've
Speaker:got a community building your reading list, you
Speaker:know, of other sensitive creative souls. And
Speaker:my intention really here is to move
Speaker:together through a year of
Speaker:creative magic. So to not be alone and,
Speaker:practice is hard to maintain. You know? And so
Speaker:I want there's something about being in a community and having a
Speaker:structure that will hold the rhythm for you. Like,
Speaker:we'll be the baseline. Mhmm. Right? And then
Speaker:everybody can do their own dance within it. So it's called the
Speaker:studio. The focus is my year of creative magic, and you can find it
Speaker:at the school of creative magic dot com. How fun. What a
Speaker:wonderful offering for 2024. I'm really excited about
Speaker:it. It's literally bringing together practices I've been doing
Speaker:myself or with my clients for years.
Speaker:Mhmm. But it's creating it in a, a I almost feel like we're gonna
Speaker:create a year long narrative. Mhmm. And we're gonna walk that
Speaker:story together. I have loved
Speaker:incorporating practices around the full and the new
Speaker:moon in my own life over the last year, and it has
Speaker:been just a really beautiful
Speaker:option to have incorporated. So I'm excited that that'll be part of it as well.
Speaker:Yes. I do absolutely have books on my shelf that I don't
Speaker:read. Just like I have shows that I want to watch that I don't. Instead,
Speaker:I go back to some of the comfort ones or the easiest. Oh,
Speaker:yes. Jumping into something new. It's yeah.
Speaker:I think we probably all share a little bit of Yes. Of course. And the
Speaker:books look really good on the shelf. I know that feeling. I really
Speaker:one of the things I wanted to do was that, like, all those, there'll be
Speaker:a live q and a every month. There'll be a live studio session every month,
Speaker:and there'll be a live reading session every month. And I just
Speaker:1, I love being live with people. Like, I just love it. I just love
Speaker:it. So this is a there will be lots of there'll be a lesson from
Speaker:me every month about creativity and practice.
Speaker:To be just I'm gonna throw so much in there.
Speaker:But I think rooted in that sense of being in community and
Speaker:knowing almost everything's gonna be on a Thursday afternoon. You know, that
Speaker:Thursday afternoon is the time that I
Speaker:you know, how many of us say we're gonna sit down and paint or draw
Speaker:or write our poetry or play our guitar? But if you're like, you know
Speaker:what? On the 3rd Thursday of every month, I do that
Speaker:with this community. I I go in there and I say, I'm playing my guitar.
Speaker:It's enough to get you started that then
Speaker:and then every Monday you can tell us, I'm gonna this week, I'm gonna work
Speaker:on this song. And on the end of the week, you can say, I did
Speaker:it. You know? Because I'm a big I'm a big
Speaker:proponent of celebration. It's one of my favorite rituals
Speaker:is celebration. That that's beautiful. No. It's
Speaker:so easy. I think, especially to not
Speaker:not show up for yourself if it's just you on your own, especially
Speaker:with a creative pursuit or a self care pursuit of some sort where,
Speaker:okay. Yeah. But I had that I had a client that wanted to work with
Speaker:me, and they they could work together on this afternoon and I did it. And
Speaker:at the the time you get to the end of the month, those times that
Speaker:you had carved out for yourself where you hadn't held the boundary, you hadn't had
Speaker:the accountability there to provide that time. Those times
Speaker:you're gone. So I do. I I love the
Speaker:group activities like that and group communities where you can show up.
Speaker:And there is the aspect of accountability, but the accountability
Speaker:without feeling stifling. Because I think sometimes there can be that stifling
Speaker:feeling versus that space that we were talking about where you can hold the space
Speaker:you want to be there. And there's also others there that you want to be
Speaker:able to see show up for instead of feeling obligated.
Speaker:It's feeling excited for. Yeah. It's absolutely not
Speaker:like, I said I would do this thing. I did this thing. And now I
Speaker:said, you know, and I share it's more like, come and sit by the fire.
Speaker:Like, come on. This is the day. Like, we're gonna paint today. Like, come on
Speaker:or write or whatever. And and it's really one of my
Speaker:things that I've always done in my work is
Speaker:try to hold enough structure that it creates
Speaker:momentum, but have enough freedom that
Speaker:everybody can feel their own way
Speaker:through. And that's really the nature of
Speaker:my core philosophy in everything I do. So this is
Speaker:like structure. We're gonna read at this time. What you read,
Speaker:up to you. We're gonna create at this time. And I'll
Speaker:have some help for how to have an on ramp to that
Speaker:creative time and also how to get the most out of, like, how
Speaker:to pull your learning and encourage yourself to come back
Speaker:to it at the end. But you you get to
Speaker:sing a song or whatever, you know, pursue or do
Speaker:stitching or stretch your body for dancing
Speaker:or that's up to you. So and I love
Speaker:I love that in my, especially my
Speaker:devotion program, that we have artists of all different kinds. And really one
Speaker:of the things I take a stand for is artists are artists are
Speaker:artists. Like the kinds of conversations we're gonna have, the
Speaker:kinds of concerns, the things we all will
Speaker:experience resistance. We there will be special things for each
Speaker:medium, but, really, there's such a powerful interplay
Speaker:that happens when people can talk from the different perspectives. And we can realize,
Speaker:oh my god. I talked to this musician and how they handle practice
Speaker:taught me so much about how I can show up as a writer. You
Speaker:know? So and I'll just say too, when I say artist, I don't want people
Speaker:to get freaked out by that term, like artist with a capital a and it
Speaker:means this. If you are born with a creative
Speaker:heart, if you are called to make art, if you understand
Speaker:yourself in the world better through the arts, then in my
Speaker:world and at the School of Creative Magic, you are an artist.
Speaker:Mic drop. What a oh. Oh, yes.
Speaker:You are an artist. Yes.
Speaker:Oh my goodness, Jamie. That was
Speaker:amazing. I was going to ask if there's
Speaker:anything that you wanted to leave people with and then you just, like,
Speaker:just popped out. It was just so absolutely,
Speaker:like, perfection for you to, come
Speaker:across as that. I I couldn't thank you enough for for being
Speaker:here and for sharing such a beautiful conversation with everyone that's
Speaker:listening. And I know anyone that's listening to the podcast,
Speaker:everything that you have shared, will be linked in here.
Speaker:We'll have your website. We'll have the program in here. I'm
Speaker:absolutely going to go check that out because that sounds like
Speaker:yet another beautiful space that I could show up in and
Speaker:really intentionally pursue those creative,
Speaker:artistic, ventures that I
Speaker:think are so easy for us to just tamp down or say we'll do
Speaker:tomorrow. Yes. Do it
Speaker:today. Do it
Speaker:today. Not tomorrow. So thank you so much, Caitlin. It's been a joy to
Speaker:talk to you. I could talk to you for hours. It's really been a pleasure
Speaker:to be here and, thank you to everyone who's been listening. I hope there was
Speaker:something here for you today. I feel like there absolutely will be. Thank
Speaker:you, Jamie. Thank you. That's a wrap
Speaker:for this episode of the Wealth Witches podcast. I hope our magical
Speaker:money talks have left you feeling empowered and inspired.
Speaker:Remember, wealth isn't just about dollars in the bank. It's about abundance and
Speaker:financial freedom in all aspects of your life. I'm Caitlin Magnuson
Speaker:encouraging you to keep challenging the status quo and embrace your inner witch on
Speaker:this financial journey. Until next time, stay magical.
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